Could the global ecomonic situation be a good thing for music?

A couple of years ago, the climate around new bands became overheated to the point of meltdown.
Mild hysteria surrounded any group with one good song and more than 5000 MySpace fans. Enthusiasm snowballed into sycophantic hype in the blink of an eye. Bands were everything and then nothing on the scene before their first single was out, never mind the album.
And then, as quickly as it had appeared, the tornado passed over. The opportunities for new bands in the past two or three years has gone from feast to famine. Festivals and gigs no longer sell out within hours, and it takes more than an indie haircut and the La’s album on your iPod to get a record deal.
Is this is good thing or bad? Is the struggle making bands work harder, or is it making them give up altogether? I’d love to hear your views…

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  • I think the cream will always rise to the top, there's always been one hit wonders and there always will be. Myspace enabled bands to get a lot of coverage very quickly, without the need for gigging to 5 people every week to build a following. Myspace has faded almost to death now, but there are other internet based ways to promote yourself. If you want it, and enough people like you - you'll make it. Being made to work harder for attention is only going to be a good thing, talent contests are never going to find the world a genius - just something to market. There's no easy road to success. If youre gifted you may get there sooner, if you have to work harder than people before you maybe thats because you need to.

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  • There is certainly some historical evidence that recession breeds both creative musicians and entrepreneurial activity amongst music practitioners. From the birth of Rock ‘n’ roll in the USA in the 1950’s that spawned the first independent record labels. To the emergence of Punk in a very socially and economically challenged 1970’s Britain ( and later on to a lesser extent Rave), to smaller but not insignificant examples such as the emergence of Grunge in Seattle in the late 80’s early 90’s, a common denominator is very often recent or current economic and social hardship. This situation coupled with a lack of investment capital and/or a risk adverse climate within the major corporations has always seemed to breed musical creativity, technical ingenuity and business initiative on the furthest fringes of the market. Typically, these socio-cultural movements emerge from initially small-localised music scenes or increasing connection between geographically dispersed scenes.

    Whilst the internet is arguably place, and a space where communities meet and socialise, what is lost is the proximity of musicians and fans congregating in a physical space to be part of something exciting and underground.

    An interesting question related to this topic is, is it likely that digital socialisation can effectively replicate the experience of being part of a geographically localised music scene? Therefore, in the future will music scenes just as readily be germinated and developed in cyberspace as the real world?

    posted by: Mat Flynn - view / reply

  • I think it may all depends on why you want to learn an instrument or "get into" music in the first place. I did because at 16 my mates bought guitars and needed a drummer. I didn't want to be left out bought a cheap kit and never looked back. So where is the motivation nowadays to learn - is it peer pressure, opportunities at school, being inspired by your favourite band / artist / musician? Having learned your instrument and formed the band where do the expectations come from - as you righly point out very few bands will make it, in the global sense, but they might just do enough to get satisfaction from their art - whether it be by producing an album - actually going into a recording studio, hits on Facebook, a video on YouTube, a few live gigs, support to a major act, or be the major act. I haven't the answers but thought I'd raise the point !!!

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Record shops v iTunes – do we listen differently?

Remember when there used to be a record shop in every high street?
In the days before downloads and iPods, it took a real effort to get hold of music and, as a result, people cherished it.
Now the industry lies in tatters, with record shops closing by the day. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
I read a great book recently by Graham Jones, originally from Anfield, called Last Shop Standing (see http://www.lastshopstanding.co.uk).
He’s well qualified to write on the subject – after running his own music stall at Ellesmere Port market and selling vinyl fruit bowls made from Beatles LPs melted into shape under a grill, he worked at HMV Liverpool.
He then travelled the country selling records, tapes and CDs to independent record stores, collecting a wealth of entertaining stories.
It really got me thinking, does the way we buy music change the way we listen to it?
Jade x

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  • I think its a terrible shame that music shops, particularly independents ones are on the decline. There are still a few such shops scattered about the region and I do buy from them even though I know I could get it cheaper online. I do also buy online, mainly for items not available in shops and to be honest because it is easier and cheaper - online you can also find albums you never knew existed !! I do have an IPod, but I also have CD players, a rack system (you still can't beat them), a record deck (and over 500 LP's and 200 singles), and a cassette player !! - guess how old I am. I have to say though, there was nothing like reading an album review in Sounds / NME or Kerrang, waiting eagerly for its release then charging down to the nearest record shop hoping they hadn't sold out. It just doesn't happen now. In some respects music has become too accessible and the some of the fun taken away. Bring back the concept album and the gatefold sleeve !!!!

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Future Music

In time for the OPEN09 this blog is looking to select the best/most pressing questions or topics of debate on the Future of Music to be discussed at the conference. So if you have any association to music, and lets face it we all do, be it a as a fan, musicians, industry practitioners or you work in a related industry we’d like to invite you to either pose for debate your own burning question about the effects digital technology on the creation of music and/or the music industry or simply debate the questions of other contributors.

As moderators we’ll select the best 3 themes or questions to take forward and pose and feed into the broader debate about creativity and technology at the conference.

For some context to the Future Music discussions, please read the about page. For information on the OPEN09 concept or attending the event please see the main page.

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  • After decades of arguably deserved criticism for their exploitation of artists and fans alike, instead of eradicating them the music industry needs the four major record labels to re-establish their credibility with the industry and the public as the companies’ best placed to cater for the mainstream music market and invest in new music talent. Agree or Disagree?

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  • With very little music talent or technical ability these days just about anyone can produce a record. In the furture will we all make our own soundtrack for our lives? And what does this mean for 'real' musicians?

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  • Matt, you raise a really interesting point about the opening up of the music business. It seems that now anyone with a laptop and a guitar can record and publish their own music. About half the CDs I get each week are from unsigned acts, recorded in their bedrooms.
    I really like it that technological advances mean that bands don't have to spend a fortune in the studio to get a demo. Admittedly, not every CD is great, but I've found some real gems that might otherwise never have been recorded. Sometimes it's like panning for gold, listening to every CD in the pile. But it's certainly good fun, and I'd rather have that than in the old days where we had all the choices made for us by A&R men.
    What do you think?
    Jade xx

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  • I came across this company presenting a new business model?
    What are your thoughts on this... http://www.musicglue.com/

    presents something interesting or is this common now?

    seems to cut out the publisher? any thoughts?

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  • Hear hear. It's easy (and often valid) to denigrate the majors, but I wouldn't want to see them disappear from the general eco-system. New music is an unproven product with no established market. Record companies of all sizes make investment risks where banks and business angels fear to tread. And their investments filter down to the indies who are developing grass-roots artists and feeding them up the food chain. Majors are still the biggest investors in new music, either directly or via their subsiduaries and I'm not sure who would step up with the readies if these organisations ceased to exist. The sooner they re-establish their credibility the better.

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  • It's interesting because the MusicGlue business model that Simon mentions assumes 3 major things
    1. That P2P is the key driver of online music consumption. MusicGlue thus attempts to use is it positively so that up and coming artists can connect with their audience.

    2. The self-sufficiency of 'unsigned' bands in their ability to create saleable quality products (recordings, merchandise, gigs etc), as Jade recognises in her post, and have the savvy and ability to market and sell them to the audience they have identified or created through the platform.

    3. The band will cut out the record company/label, (which is what I think Simon meant by publisher) and will happily perform all of these functions in the pursuit of having their music heard and earning some money from it. An idea both Mushroom concepts and I seem equally wary of.

    MusicGlue is certainly an interesting concept and may well be very successful over the next few years. Its assumptions are informative as it is also reflective of the current conventional wisdom of the digital music landscape. i.e. Recorded music is almost worthless the money is in live performance etc.etc. However, it is the 3 assumptions (above) that its business model is founded on that I find most interesting. And they raise two very important questions.

    1. Has the digitisation of recorded music undermined its value forever? (This also relates to Jades observations about the death of the Indie record store)

    2. Has digitisation meant musicians have had to become amateur producers, film makers, graphic designers, press agents, web editors, marketing gurus and entrepreneurs at the expense of being songwriters & musicians?

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  • In answer to those two questions I think the answers are yes and yes. To qualify 2 tho, I'm personally pleased to see an increase in the 'professionalism' of DIY and grass-roots music producers. Whether it has to be at the expense of being song-writers depends on their ability to pull together a management/ production team who love the music enough to want to be involved in taking on these responsibilities.

    Found I was about to write an essay. Think I'll keep it short and sweet!

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  • Actually, re. another point you mentioned earlier in the same post, about the money in live. All that's different is the ratio of live income to income from recordings. It's still all relative to status and can be misleading for new and aspiring artists who think they can give away their recordings because it'll help them sell loads of gig tickets.

    If you are an artist in the extremely tall thin pointy bit at the top of the pyramid, then you're enjoying significant amounts of all the income streams available.

    If you're struggling for traction in the middle somewhere, I suspect you're earning moderate amounts of as many income streams as you've got the capacity to harvest.

    If you are down at the infinitely wide and continually expanding base ('The No-Tail') then you're still only getting pennies for your live work too.

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  • Ill be honest i don't like the term "real musicians" like playing a instrument is any better or worse i think that introduces hierarchy into music for example a guy with a midi keyboard in a bedroom can create a stunning emotional piece of music if i played chop sticks on a Steinway there's no comparison yes anyone with a computer or laptop can create music but everyone can tell jokes but that doesn't worry the entertainment industry. the way i see it is you don't have to hear what the majors recommend anymore you have to pick it out for yourself us as listeners have more work to do.

    The digitisation question is a good one as I make dvd's music videos and I produce, sound engineer, have a radio show and constantly writing lyrics i need to do all this or ill end up signing on simple as that artists need to be "jack of all trades" the amount of contacts and experience i have because of this means when i load up pro tools i know exactly what i want my creativity to sound like if i paid for studio time id spend twice if I didn't know what i was doing.

    As for record stores ok it sounds heartless but most won't survive it is a bad thing I'm sorry for the people who run the stores not the stores themselves however there will be some left in years to come
    but people still buy books when they can read for free at a library. librarys are still open 40 or so years after the internet was developed why because they evolved with internet (and government funds as well)

    Put simply i only buy music i like maybe one track of a album or whatever im not gonna buy a cow everytime i want steak just to keep a farmer happy.

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  • In response to Dub P, I agree the term 'real musicians' is inflammatory. Maybe professional would have been a better term. However, the dividing line between amateur and professional is increasingly blurred with digital technology. This resonates with the 'Jack of All trades' idea that is hardly a new concept. Most professional musicians have portfolio careers, as Dub P demonstrates, a bit of teaching, performing, writing, recording etc. but I suppose many of the secondary skills now expected that are not primarily music specific.

    So could we ask, has the access to cheap production/marketing technology to the intermittently interested amateur demystified or even diminished the notions of exceptional skills or abilities usually appropriated to or associated with professional level musicianship?

    Following on from that, if as Mushroom Concepts accepts that the value of recorded music has been undermined forever and that only the top of the pyramid in pop music make significant profits from live performance, is there an argument to be made that the career professional musician is going to be a dying breed in the 21st Century?

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